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Author Topic: ATF Rule: Secure Gun Storage and Definition of Antique Firearm  (Read 312 times)

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ATF Rule: Secure Gun Storage and Definition of Antique Firearm
« on: January 03, 2022, 07:05:27 PM »
Apparently another ATF rule will be published tomarrow.

Secure Gun Storage and Definition of Antique Firearm
https://www.federalregister.gov/public-inspection/2021-28398/secure-gun-storage-and-definition-of-antique-firearm

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SUMMARY: The Department of Justice is amending the regulations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (“ATF”) to codify into regulation certain provisions of the Omnibus Consolidated and Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act, 1999. This rule amends ATF’s regulations to account for the existing statutory requirement that applicants for Federal firearms dealer licenses certify that secure gun storage or safety devices will be available at any place where firearms are sold under the license to nonlicensed individuals. This certification is already included in the Application for Federal Firearms License, ATF Form 7/7CR (“Form 7/7CR”). The regulation also requires applicants for manufacturer or importer licenses to complete the certification if the licensee will have premises where firearms are sold to nonlicensees. Moreover, the regulation requires that the secure gun storage or safety devices be compatible with the firearms offered for sale by the licensee. Finally, it conforms the regulatory definitions of certain terms to the statutory language, including the definition of “antique firearm,” which is amended to include certain modern muzzle loading firearms.

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Re: ATF Rule: Secure Gun Storage and Definition of Antique Firearm
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2022, 08:46:53 PM »
Unaccountable untouchable bureaucracy pulling shit out of it's ass and sticking it to the people.   :eyejack:
 

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Re: ATF Rule: Secure Gun Storage and Definition of Antique Firearm
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2022, 12:12:42 PM »


ATF has a new rule starting Feb 3, 2022 saying you have to have lockable storage boxes or safes to be able to sell guns of any type. failure to have them will get your FFL revoked.
plus, all guns sold must go out the store in a box/case.

I looked at DOJ website and the rule is not very helpful in telling you what typs of lock box is ok.
 
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Re: ATF Rule: Secure Gun Storage and Definition of Antique Firearm
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2022, 01:41:28 PM »

ATF has a new rule starting Feb 3, 2022 saying you have to have lockable storage boxes or safes to be able to sell guns of any type. failure to have them will get your FFL revoked.
plus, all guns sold must go out the store in a box/case.

I looked at DOJ website and the rule is not very helpful in telling you what typs of lock box is ok.
Merging with earlier thread. See link in first post of thread that has the new ATF rule.
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Re: ATF Rule: Secure Gun Storage and Definition of Antique Firearm
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2022, 04:45:22 PM »
I think that law has to do with storing guns on an ffl premise. the law I heard was about selling guns with cases.
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Re: ATF Rule: Secure Gun Storage and Definition of Antique Firearm
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2022, 04:57:14 PM »
I think that law has to do with storing guns on an ffl premise. the law I heard was about selling guns with cases.
Read the rule. It goes into effect on Feb 3, 2022. Here is one part of it:

"This rule requires that Federal firearms licensees (“FFLs”) make available secure gun storage or safety devices to non-FFLs that purchase firearms. Furthermore, this rule requires that all FFLs must certify that they have secure gun storage or safety devices available if they sell firearms to non-FFLs."

And from the rule's "Meaning of terms":

"Secure gun storage or safety device. (1) A device that, when installed on a firearm, is designed to prevent the firearm from being operated without first deactivating the device;

(2) A device incorporated into the design of the firearm that is designed to prevent the operation of the firearm by anyone not having access to the device; or

(3) A safe, gun safe, gun case, lock box, or other device that is designed to be or can be used to store a firearm and that is designed to be unlocked only by means of a key, a combination, or other similar means.
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Edit to add: And as of now that ATF rule is the only one that appears to deal with firearms out of the 4 documents for Feb 3, 2022.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/search?conditions%5Beffective_date%5D%5Bis%5D=02%2F03%2F2022
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Re: ATF Rule: Secure Gun Storage and Definition of Antique Firearm
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2022, 07:43:43 AM »
...'make available.'

doesn't say 'must sell to a customer in,'

seems to be defined as having cases in the store for sale IF a customer wants one.
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Re: ATF Rule: Secure Gun Storage and Definition of Antique Firearm
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2022, 08:11:05 AM »
...'make available.'

doesn't say 'must sell to a customer in,'

seems to be defined as having cases in the store for sale IF a customer wants one.
Correct. Does not appear to mandate one be included (at the federal level) with the gun, just one be made available if the buyer/customer wants one.

However, in CT there are statutes covering including a locking device with handguns...

Sec. 29-33. Sale, delivery or transfer of pistols and revolvers. Procedure. Penalty.

(d) No person, firm or corporation shall sell, deliver or otherwise transfer any pistol or revolver, other than at wholesale, unless such pistol or revolver is equipped with a reusable trigger lock, gun lock or gun locking device appropriate for such pistol or revolver, which lock or device shall be constructed of material sufficiently strong to prevent it from being easily disabled and have a locking mechanism accessible by key or by electronic or other mechanical accessory specific to such lock or device to prevent unauthorized removal. No pistol or revolver shall be loaded or contain therein any gunpowder or other explosive or any bullet, ball or shell when such pistol or revolver is sold, delivered or otherwise transferred.


Sec. 29-37b. Retail dealer to equip pistols and revolvers with gun locking device and provide written warning at time of sale. Penalty.

(a) Each person, firm or corporation which engages in the retail sale of any pistol or revolver, at the time of sale of any such pistol or revolver, shall (1) equip such pistol or revolver with a reusable trigger lock, gun lock or gun locking device appropriate for such firearm, which lock or device shall be constructed of material sufficiently strong to prevent it from being easily disabled and have a locking mechanism accessible by key or by electronic or other mechanical accessory specific to such lock or device to prevent unauthorized removal,
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