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Re: 2019-nCov Virus
« Reply #970 on: July 30, 2020, 04:53:54 PM »
Nobody is objective.
Very true. There is a long history of scientists and researchers chasing the funding spigot and there by coloring their results to fit a specific point or result to keep funding going. Politicians likewise are almost always not objective. Same goes for the media. The media is notorious for framing stories these days for clicks. Anything Trump suggests or references is instantly attacked by the major media outlets and by many Democrats. Trump could say the sky is blue and they'd attack him for it. TDS is real. And finally, humans are humans and play stupid games, and win stupid prizes that sometimes includes death.

That the "experts" are quick to dispel anything that doesn't match what they push and to call it misinformation, call it dangerous, is somewhat telling. Often there is no corresponding proof to explain why its misinformation or dangerous, one is supposed to rely on the expert or on the anonymous media source in that framed story.

Its sad it has to be said but some do have a financial or political/ideological stake in the game for a specific narrative to be followed.

It is often forgotten that during these pandemics the "guidance" from the "experts" often shifts and changes as new elements of the virus/infection are learned. Lest we forget that previous to today's guidance the following guidance was made months ago (for various reasons at that time):

The surgeon general wants Americans to stop buying face masks
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/29/health/face-masks-coronavirus-surgeon-general-trnd/index.html

WHO guidance: Healthy people should wear masks only when 'taking care of' coronavirus patients
https://www.foxnews.com/world/who-guidance-healthy-people-wear-masks-around-coronavirus-patients

Facemasks Won’t Protect From Coronavirus, Says CDC And WHO
https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/03/facemasks-coronavirus-says-cdc-who/

CDC Tweet from February
https://twitter.com/CDCgov/status/1233134710638825473

CDC does not currently recommend the use of facemasks to help prevent novel #coronavirus. Take everyday preventive actions, like staying home when you are sick and washing hands with soap and water, to help slow the spread of respiratory illness. #COVID19 https://bit.ly/37Ay6Cm

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-masks-no-longer-needed/
Snopes gudgingly had to state that in a March 2020 interview; "... Fauci was simply echoing what many others argued at that time, including the U.S. Surgeon General, the World Health Organization (WHO), and The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)."

Now as of just a day or two ago we have Fauci planting the seeds for the mandating of eye protection (goggles or face shields) which the media pounced on.

Full ABC interview of Fauci can be seen at the following Instagram link. Go to approximately the 18:43 mark to see the question and answer about eye protection.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CDO-gR-A0mv/

Now having said all that, I'm not dismissing the seriousness of Covid. Nor am I dismissing the current guidance on how we (non medical folks) should protect ourselves.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2020, 04:58:01 PM by sbhaven »
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Re: 2019-nCov Virus
« Reply #971 on: July 30, 2020, 06:13:29 PM »
Sbhaven, the above is all true and well said.
 

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Re: 2019-nCov Virus
« Reply #972 on: July 31, 2020, 11:45:32 PM »
If there is a monetary interest for them to say what they did, is there not conversely a monetary interest by some to push a different solution, like say a vaccine?

Who are we to believe when one set of doctors make one claim, and another set make a different one? Each point to things (real world experiences, studies, etc.) that support their side. Yet people are knee jerk quick to instantly dismiss one side or the other without any discussion on the merits of either side's claims. Instead it's quickly labeled as "misinformation" and removed.

As someone who is sitting in the cheap seats, these actions (by both sides) do raise questions. Media framing of Covid reports is problematic when statements are cut up or taken out of context. While we'd hope people would act rationally, time and again we see people (particularly those in power) most assuredly do not. They have their own motives and agendas that may be rational to them, but are seen as making no sense to the man on the street.

Politicians have made a number of moves that have left some scratching their heads and wondering what the real motivation has been when dealing with this pandemic.

Edit to add: It should be noted that the TPUSA co-founder was 80. It is being reported that he died from "complications" due to Covid-19. So that begs the question, what other health issues did he have? Strange how no news reports seem to say what his underlying health issue was, only that he died "from Covid-19".

It's easier to say he died from COVID-19 instead of pneumonia induced by COVID. The vast majority of deaths are due to complication caused by COVID not directly from COVID so it's not that weird that they said he died from COVID because he wouldn't have died if he didn't have COVID.

I don't think the doctors treating patients for COVID are excited that a vaccine is taking too long. They'd be pretty happy to get a vaccine to stop the pandemic because there is zero chance we're getting herd immunity naturally without killing off 1-2% of the US population. It hasn't happened historically and I doubt it's going to happen now especially since we know you can be reinfected. COVID is here to stay until a vaccine is found or it mutates into something less deadly. 

As for taking down the video, they are in all fairness a private company so they can do that, but at the same time they are really not helping their case in censoring that type of stuff. So I think your point is valid, on the other hand blatant information is really harmful. It's like the classic example of where freedom of speech isn't defended like let's say when you shout fire in a movie theater. Spreading false information that can get people sick or killed does more harm than good.

As for motivations I really just think it's incompetency. I've mentioned this a lot but when they advised us not to wear masks I knew it was because we had a shortage. Masks WILL protect you but they thought healthcare workers get priority so they didn't want the public panic buying or have hoarders try to flip them for money. Politicians flip flopping is normal because they feel like they have to say something even though they have limited information. It's really unfortunate but you can't win. You either say the smart thing, "I don't know" and people think that you're an idiot or you take a shot in the dark and hope to get it right.

Personally, I don't really trust those medical professionals in that video that was taken down as they've had a weird history with medicine. For example, that black lady is a total quack:

https://www.ibtimes.com/who-stella-immanuel-doctor-says-demons-responsible-infertility-sexual-diseases-3018954

The best thing you can do is analyze information critically and use some common sense; wash your hands, wear a mask in public space and avoid crowds.
 

 


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